Monday, July 31, 2006


Babble on.

One of the first people on the left side of the political spectrum I ever linked to has come completely unhinged:

Joe, our government is complict in this act by helping to stall a ceasefire. I will let you speculate as to why they are on board with this bizzare policy, but there is no doubt they are. MacKay is Foreign Minister. This is his file. I just hope he can live with himself. I am not sure I could. I don't have to worry about Steve having bad dreams about dead babies. Sociopaths don't have that problem.
Greg | Homepage | 07.30.06 - 8:39 pm | #


I don't have to worry about Steve having bad dreams about dead babies. Sociopaths don't have that problem.

That is easily the most asinine thing I've ever seen you write.
Damian | Homepage | 07.31.06 - 9:44 am | #


That is easily the most asinine thing I've ever seen you write.

I just call em like I sees em.
Greg | Homepage | 07.31.06 - 9:57 am | #

For those who like to toss the term around indiscriminately:

Antisocial personality disorder: A pervasive pattern of disregard for and violation of the rights of others and inability or unwillingness to conform to what are considered to be the norms of society.

The disorder involves a history of chronic antisocial behavior that begins before the age of 15 and continues into adulthood. The disorder is manifested by a pattern of irresponsible and antisocial behavior as indicated by academic failure, poor job performance, illegal activities, recklessness, and impulsive behavior. Symptoms may include dysphoria, an inability to tolerate boredom, feeling victimized, and a diminished capacity for intimacy.

Greg has officially lost it, and I'm done with him. Kinda sad, considering that until now, I had considered him one of the more reasonable guys on the other side of the fence. Now he's just another moonbat, and a dime-a-dozen one at that. What a shame.

Babble off.


At 1:57 p.m., Blogger Tim said...

Damian, there is no blogger on the right whom I respect more than you, but when you feature small dead animals as one of your favourite blogs, or offer even a half-hearted defense of right girl's hateful screed, then your judgment of over-the-top rhetoric must be considered suspect.

At 2:01 p.m., Blogger Mark, Ottawa said...

So was Chretien a sociopath when Canadian CF-18s killed innocent civilians in Serbia in 1999?


At 2:24 p.m., Blogger Andrew said...

Greg has been hard to read recently. While I agree with him that the Middle East mess is terrible, I think he overstates Canada's official reaction, and paints it as far darker than it is.

If anything we're acting apathetic - which isn't exactly great, but it's not sociopathic.

In general the CPC coming to power has affected an awful lot of leftist bloggers badly. For example, Pogge is barely readable these days, and I used to absolutely love that place.

At 2:40 p.m., Blogger SilverWinger said...

It is all part and parcel of the lefts hatred for Bush and now Harper.
Because of the conservatives stance on any subject they must take the opposite view and if that is to oppose democrasy, then that is their position.
Dead babies are the result of terrorist actions, not countries who are interested in preserving civilization.

At 3:42 p.m., Blogger Tim said...

Funny, Andrew, I was thinking about how the Conservatives being in power has made many right of cetnre blog unreadable these days. Things that would had you foaming from the mouth if the Liberals had done them are glossed over or given a stern-but-loving head shake over. I'll take responsibility for Pogge being unreadable to you these days.

Is Greg's reaction "overstated"? Maybe, in so far as he uses a clinical term when he is a layman, but the serious discomfort that he and a great many other Canadians feel with regards to Harper's reaction is not overstated. It is just not shared by you.

At 8:33 p.m., Blogger GenX at 40 said...

I agree that this is not an effect of hte left or the right. Most political blogging is simply awful as it is emotional and angry as well as ill-informed. The worst is "the movement of one" political blogs like SDA (but in no way limited to one end of any spectrum) in which twelve people spend an inordinate amount of time swearing at each other exchanging one wrong statement for another wrong statement.

That being said, even if Harper's stand is much the same as Mulroney's or Dief's would have been (as Larry Zolf argues on the CBC's website), it is disconcerting that the call is not for a democratic Lebanon with a Bosnian style NATO force to deal with the sectarianism - especially when the alternative is so full of death. Israel may have the right but that does not mean a free hand. Surely our PM does not take the comfort some do in fluttering pamphlets from the sky as an excuse for the failure to use commando tactics in populated areas. You would also hope Harper would be particularly concerned with the advent of a convergence of Gaza-South Lebanon-Iraq-Afghanistan into a general war of West against East, a concern you can express without going mental all over a comments page.

At 9:34 a.m., Blogger Andrew said...


Now that I've been on "the other side" of the power equation for a few months, I see exactly what drove the Lib/prog bloggers nuts about rightie bloggers.... because most of the Lib/prog bloggers have taken on the "froth at the mouth" role that their opponents used to fill.

Likewise, I see many CPC bloggers slipping into the "blind support" role that many Lib/prog filled. It's something I try to avoid - which isn't too hard because the CPC isn't governing in a manner I support very often.

Whenever the CPC gets kicked out I'll be trying damned hard not slip back into the mouth-frothing....

The Canadian blogosphere mirrors the current Canadian government - we have an opposition that has very few members used to opposing and a government with very few memeber used to governing. ;)

At 9:46 a.m., Blogger GenX at 40 said...

If I was to distinguish between the right-wing blogger and the left-wing one it would be that the underlying theme of the first is "someone else is to blame" while the second's is "we are to blame". In all other respects they share equal measures of misinformation and freaking out leaving them similarly unuseful. It is only the objective, listening and rational centrists that are worth reading and leaving comments with.

BB will probably take it hard that I consider him a centrist. ;-)

At 10:03 a.m., Blogger Babbling Brooks said...

BB will probably take it hard that I consider him a centrist.

I'm devastated. Where did all my right-wing cred go?

At 10:08 a.m., Blogger GenX at 40 said...

You were seen drinking a beer with me about 18 months ago and it has been all downhill since then.

At 10:46 a.m., Blogger Alan said...


Pay no heed to the compromise fetishists. There is correct and incorrect, and you are correct about Socialist Greg. I used to be a frequent reader at his site, but he has spiralled downwards since the election. I suppose it must feel terrible to have your country governed in a manner diametrically opposed to everything you believe in. Wait. I remember now. It was. I spiralled in a similar manner to the point where I gave up. I'm sure Greg will be back.

By the way, "right" and "left" are utterly devoid of meaning.


At 11:24 a.m., Blogger Babbling Brooks said...

By the way, "right" and "left" are utterly devoid of meaning.

Well, they're not entirely useless, since they've provided me with handy pigeonholes.

At 11:47 a.m., Blogger Dr. Strangelove said...

but the serious discomfort that he and a great many other Canadians feel with regards to Harper's reaction is not overstated. It is just not shared by you.

Without a doubt, the biggest atrocity of the Hizbollah-Hamas/Israeli conflict is the abomination that a militant suicidal terrorist group, embedded within a so-called sovereign nation, employs the use of civilians and their homes to launch attacks upon a democratic neighbour.

That the predominant theme in left-wing blogs and media is obsessive preoccupation with Israel's response and Harper's support for a fellow liberal democracy under seige from terrorists, is pretty much all I need to know about how far out in left field some have drifted.

At 12:55 p.m., Blogger GenX at 40 said...

Interesting how the unthinking extreme do not like to be pointed out as part of the unthinking extreme...especially when the most important principle is "someone else is to blame."

At 2:13 p.m., Blogger Dr. Strangelove said...

Right right. How very Alexa McDonough of you. We shouldn't be blaming anyone like little boys in a sandbox. This whole middle-east war is just like no-fault auto insurance and what we're dealing with here is just a little fender-bender.

Wow, now my eyes are wide open! And all that time I was convinced all that self-righteous complacency I was yammering on about was just a lot of navel gazing.

At 3:29 p.m., Blogger GenX at 40 said...

You seem to have fallen over while leaping from one conclusion to another. Perhaps it is time to find a real doctor.

At 4:00 p.m., Blogger Alan said...

Why not simply address the good doctor's arguments? Surely it's beneath you to resort to personal jibes in the manner of the loathsome "right". The Doctor is, after all, "unthinking", like a dog, or a worm. Crush him, GenX Man! Now is the time to reveal your true power! His mere existence is an affront to truly sentient beings, engaged in civilized and delicate discourse on matters beyond the reach of such miserable beasts.

At 4:23 p.m., Blogger GenX at 40 said...

If you could direct me to a point in your comment or his last one other than personal jibes that might help with your request.

At 5:13 p.m., Blogger Babbling Brooks said...

Two lawyers trading personal barbs? The mind boggles.

At 5:29 p.m., Blogger Tim said...

This whole middle-east war is just like no-fault auto insurance and what we're dealing with here is just a little fender-bender.

Where would you care to assign fault in this matter, "Doctor"?

On the Jews who dislocated an entire people? On the British and other western governments who allowed that to happen? On the militants and terrorists who now live like parasites off the despair of their fellow Arabs? On the Jewish extremists who refuse to give a millimetre in any peace negotiations? On the Islamic fundamentalists who cloak their murderous pronouncements in religious dogma? There's plenty of bad guys, and precious few good guys, in this conflict. Blame is for five year olds.

By the way, "right" and "left" are utterly devoid of meaning.

Um, unless everyone agrees they do have meaning and then they are a commonly used frame of reference for a range of political thought.

At 7:31 p.m., Blogger Dr. Strangelove said...

On the terrorists.
Next question, "tim"?

At 9:19 p.m., Blogger GenX at 40 said...

Two lawyers? Two lawyers called Alan? Is that right? This whole thing is not going end in a Tinky Winky big hug in a bar someday is it? Either that or BB is setting the whole thing up like that episode of Star Trek with the brains in jars.

At 1:51 a.m., Blogger Tim said...

Hmmm...let's see, before Israel came into being, Menachem Begin and many other respected Israeli statesmen were members of the Irgun, an organization which could certainly be defined as terrorist. So, is winning all it takes to change terrorist into statesmen?

At 10:27 a.m., Blogger Babbling Brooks said...

So, is winning all it takes to change terrorist into statesmen?

I understand your point, Tim, about the fuzzy line between resistance and terror, but IMO your analogy would only really work if Hezbollah was fighting a guerilla war against the Lebanese gov't in Beirut, or if they had put down their weapons once Israel withdrew from Lebanon.

At 10:42 a.m., Blogger Dr. Strangelove said...

Frankly Tim, some decade in the future when I hope we have prevailed over the advance of global Islamic terrorism, I may feel inclined to debate you on your point. But for now, I look upon Israel as our brothers and sisters and children on the front line of this battle.

So while Israeli citizens are routinely blown up in cafes, and while their enemy's underwriter is attempting to arm itself with nuclear weapons, I simply do not feel inclined to crap all over Menachem Begin.


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